Ivermectin/Stromectol dosage

[camelidman]

Hi,
I am having problems administering panacur orally to one of my camels, so I would like to take an alternate route, Ivermectin. (I think Stromectol is the brand name it's sold under in the US(?)) However, I don't know the correct dosage for a camel, so I'm hoping someone here can offer me some advice.

For llamas, alpacas and guanacos the dosage is higher than normally prescribed, and I'd normally give 2ml per 50Kg of body weight. Therefore, if I take this approach with a 612Kg bactrian camel I'd give:

(600/50)2 = 24ml

Also, I'd follow with the same dosage after 10 days and again after 20 days.
Can anyone tell me if this is correct?

Thanks in advance,
Jon

[Cameleer]

Panacur is a safe, effective wormer and should be used at double the horse dose for camels, some people even use it a three to four times the horse dose.
Ivermectin is very strong, I have heard about camels that have died from overdosing with it. So it’s not safe to use at a higher dose from what I understand.
Use a dosing syringe or an old tube wormer one and put maple syrup in it, give that to your camel a few times as treats and they should learn to love wormer time.
When I give Gobi tube wormer past he always wants more!

[DMiller779]

I have a 7 month old male bactrian that has a tapeworm infestation. I gave him Valbazen last month which is supposed to be very effective against tapeworms. I noticed the worm(s) are still in his stool and I am hoping for additional advice on treating him.

I have several questions:

1. Is Valbazen safe?
2. Can SafeGuard (Panacure) be placed in food (12% protein pellets) or his milk bottle (2 liters given twice daily)?
3. Other than weighing, how can I estimate my camel's weight.

Thanks,
Doug

[camelidman]

Many thanks for the advice.
I've actually tried various things to get him used to the drench syringe, but each time with no luck. I've tried it with a sugary solution, with apple juice, etc. As I've also tried mixing with salt water, sugar water, food, etc. in his regular feeding buckets, I think an injectable anti parasite is required.

In answer to the question about giving panacur powder in drinking water/food. This is normally okay with 'wet' foods/water, however as I mentioned mine seems unusually aware of any additives and refuses to eat.

Any more thoughts on safe Ivermectin dosage?

[camel4ever]

Hi,
I am having problems administering panacur orally to one of my camels, so I would like to take an alternate route, Ivermectin. (I think Stromectol is the brand name it's sold under in the US(?)) However, I don't know the correct dosage for a camel, so I'm hoping someone here can offer me some advice.

For llamas, alpacas and guanacos the dosage is higher than normally prescribed, and I'd normally give 2ml per 50Kg of body weight. Therefore, if I take this approach with a 612Kg bactrian camel I'd give:

(600/50)2 = 24ml

Also, I'd follow with the same dosage after 10 days and again after 20 days.
Can anyone tell me if this is correct?

Thanks in advance,
Jon

Injectable ivermectin dosage is 1ml/50 kg body weight, so 612 kg camel will need 13ml. Since the substance is painful and irritant you can dilute the 13 ml of ivermectin with the same amount of distilled water. The resulting solution will not be anymore colorless and will look like milk. It is much less painful and you will be able to inject your camel without him complaining too loudly and without risking of causing damage to the skin at the injection site.

[camelidman]

Hi,
Many thanks again for the advice.
Can I just clarify, you recommend that I stick to the recommended dosage (of 1ml/50kg) and not a stronger dosage as given to other camelids?

Thanks in advance,
Jon

[camel4ever]

Hi,
Many thanks again for the advice.
Can I just clarify, you recommend that I stick to the recommended dosage (of 1ml/50kg) and not a stronger dosage as given to other camelids?

Thanks in advance,
Jon

Hi Jon,
1ml/50 kg is the recommended dosage. Injectable ivermectin is not usually used to control endoparasites. Normally oral treatments are used. If the paste you were planning to use is too tick you should try to dilute it with water sufficiently so that a large "drenching gun" can be used: camel is couched, with front legs tight and a lip hold should not be a problem to dose him (of course with care to avoid his windpipe!).

Why do you want to deworm your camel ? A high parasite egg count in the feces does not mean a high number of parasites in the intestinal tract. Adult camels are quite tolerant of internal parasites infestation. However, if you really want to do something nice you should send his feces to be analyzed so you will know which internal parasites are present. Then you do a search on the most effective drugs and the most appropriate administration time table. Of course remember that is pointless to deworm your camel and then continue to keep him on the old litter or in the same grazing paddock contaminated by his feces and drinking from a feces contaminated water point or keeping him together other animals that have not been dewormed.

[NHCAMEL]

I have a 7 month old male bactrian that has a tapeworm infestation. I gave him Valbazen last month which is supposed to be very effective against tapeworms. I noticed the worm(s) are still in his stool and I am hoping for additional advice on treating him.

I have several questions:

1. Is Valbazen safe?
2. Can SafeGuard (Panacure) be placed in food (12% protein pellets) or his milk bottle (2 liters given twice daily)?
3. Other than weighing, how can I estimate my camel's weight.

Thanks,
Doug
Last year we had a horrible time with parasites, Parsites are becomming immune and resistant to traditional medicines. After running with all the ususal, vet recommendations We ended up using an herbal rememdy, and it worked. We used Paravac, it is a liquid that can be given orally, or in water, or our camels favorite, mixed with apple sauce. If you have an animal with an extremely high parasite load echinachea will also help. We have found the best action is routine fecal checks, and then treat as needed. We no longer give preventatives to our camelids.
Mary

[stella]

Hi Jon,
It is best to know which parasite you are dealing with before worming and a simple fecal should be able to tell you this. If you aren't able to do this, Panacur is your best bet to start with as it treats most parasites and it is extremely safe. I give Panacur paste orally, 2x the horse dose for 3 consecutive days then again in 3 weeks I give 2x the horse dose for one day only. My girls can be tough about taking oral medicine too and I've found if you squirt small amounts in a large lettuce leaf, roll it up so they can't see or taste it until it's in their mouth. I put only a small squirt in the center of the lettuce leaf and wrap it around many times with additional lettuce leaf. One of my girls will shake the medicine out of the lettuce if I put too much in at once so I tend to follow the medicine with a carrot to keep her chewing. You many find you need a 3 heads of lettuce to get it all down but it works for me. I live in the Northeast and whipworms are my biggest problem, Ivermectin does NOT treat whipworms.

If you decide to use the Ivermectin, the dosage should be the same as the horse dosage, do NOT double it. Also, be sure to divide dosage and inject into different sites, not all in one site. Again, it does not treat all parasites so best to scoop up some poop and send out for a fecal.

Don't give up on the Panacur yet as it really is your safest choice of wormer for camels.

~ Stella

[3droms]

They are right when they say you need to know what parasite you are dealing with. I lost a camel to worms. I wormed her with 2 products (Panacur and Ivermect Gold) and the worms she had (Barbers Pole) were resistant. In hindsight I should have done a fecal a few days after worming her to see if the wormers I gave her were effective. I definetly recommend checking the effectiveness of wormers when the egg count comes back with high numbers rather than relying on the advice of others.

By the way we mix Panacur in wheat bix with molases, mush it into balls and feed it to the camels. I have also heard of people squirting the wormer into bread rolls.

[ozcamelgirl]

I use panacur and ivomec (2 weeks apart, annually - can't remember the amounts or order off hand), and mix them in a bucket of horse feed or oats with molasses. They think they are getting a treat!

A friend taught me his trick to get cattle to come to him - if you give them something they can't resist, always in the same bucket, they'll come just at the sight of the bucket. We applied this theory to the new wild camels, introduced molasses into the treat/lure, and then used the same bucket for worming as well. They've never hesitated.

[DMiller779]

I lost a camel to worms. I wormed her with 2 products (Panacur and Ivermect Gold)

Hi 3Droms.
I have read 3 articles expressly warning against the use of Ivomectin Gold in Llamas. They stated that it was designed for tapeworms in horses and should NOT be used in Llamas. Since Llamas and camels are both camelids I would not use it for camels either.

Doug

[camelidman]

Hi,
I've not been on for a few days, so missed the replies until now.
I took a faecal sample from each of the camels just before Christmas, the results came back with a high strongyle egg count, also I am concerned about sarcoptic mange which is causing him discomfort.

I have the facilities to move them during treatment, which would normally (with other species) be three identical doses of Ivermectin each separated by 10 days.

Thanks for the encouragement to continue with Panacur, but I've tried exhaustively. I've given extremely low doses in water, both alone and with other additives (apple juice, pineapple juice, ketchup (don't ask, it was an experiment!), I've mixed it with apple sauce then filled a hollowed out apple with the stuff, and the list goes on... Each time he smells or tastes it and rejects it. This rejection normally entails him throwing the bucket across the barn, or spitting at me if I feed him by hand. It's exactly the same problem when I give him other supplements, such as Sodiazot which I mix with water for all the animals at this time of the year (he gets his own fresh water when it's time for dosing), etc. As for the mange, I've tried topical treatments, but to no avail.

As for the use of Ivomectin in llamas. I have used it for as long as I've kept llamas (and as recently as yesterday when I gave a 6 month old llama cria (51Kg) 2ml to control a bad case of mange that's taken hold in her ears and on her feet) and have never experienced any problems with it. I have a friend who has treated small camelids for many years as a veterinary doctor and he prescribes Ivomec-D at double the recommended dose. I have also read several articles on the web warning against its use, but I won't stop using it now after having used it for so many years without a problem. DYOR!

Hmm. :confused:

[3droms]

I have read 3 articles expressly warning against the use of Ivomectin Gold in Llamas. They stated that it was designed for tapeworms in horses and should NOT be used in Llamas. Since Llamas and camels are both camelids I would not use it for camels either.

I was using it because one of our camels had tape worm. Ivermec Gold has Praziquantel in it (spelling?) which is used to treat tape worm in a large number of animals (not just horses). It was a very effective product for tape worm and I didn't have any problems with it. It also controlled other worms
which the camels had, but not Barbers Pole.

I am interested to know was it the ivermectin, the praziquantel or the combination that was not good for llamas? I might stay away from this product in the future. Which chemical do you use for tape worm?

[camel4ever]

Hi,
I've not been on for a few days, so missed the replies until now.
I took a faecal sample from each of the camels just before Christmas, the results came back with a high strongyle egg count, also I am concerned about sarcoptic mange which is causing him discomfort.

I have the facilities to move them during treatment, which would normally (with other species) be three identical doses of Ivermectin each separated by 10 days.

Thanks for the encouragement to continue with Panacur, but I've tried exhaustively. I've given extremely low doses in water, both alone and with other additives (apple juice, pineapple juice, ketchup (don't ask, it was an experiment!), I've mixed it with apple sauce then filled a hollowed out apple with the stuff, and the list goes on... Each time he smells or tastes it and rejects it. This rejection normally entails him throwing the bucket across the barn, or spitting at me if I feed him by hand. It's exactly the same problem when I give him other supplements, such as Sodiazot which I mix with water for all the animals at this time of the year (he gets his own fresh water when it's time for dosing), etc. As for the mange, I've tried topical treatments, but to no avail.

As for the use of Ivomectin in llamas. I have used it for as long as I've kept llamas (and as recently as yesterday when I gave a 6 month old llama cria (51Kg) 2ml to control a bad case of mange that's taken hold in her ears and on her feet) and have never experienced any problems with it. I have a friend who has treated small camelids for many years as a veterinary doctor and he prescribes Ivomec-D at double the recommended dose. I have also read several articles on the web warning against its use, but I won't stop using it now after having used it for so many years without a problem. DYOR!

Hmm. :confused:

Hi Camelidman
I just want to let you know that if your camels have mange the treatemnt with injectable ivermectin is not sufficient! Injectable ivermectin is transported by blood so it can only reach mange parasites that are IN the skin but it will NOT reach mange parasites that are in crusts of dead skin since the dead skin is not anymore nourished by blood! The injection of ivermectin will allow a small amount of mange parasite to survive. This is probable why you have to inject with ivermectin repeatedly and you have this problem coming up again after some time.

To be sure to get rid of mange parasites you should use, together with the ivermectin injection, also an external treatment: spraying +scrubbing of your camels with a good acaricide and repeat it after 2 weeks. In this way you will kill also the mange parasites that are imbedded in dead skin or on the hairs.

Of course you know that you will have to give this treatment to all your camels. Since all camel "utensils" are a probable source of reinfection they have to be sprayed (or destroyed), and their paddock too (look for rubbing areas) .

[DMiller779]

I have read 3 articles expressly warning against the use of Ivomectin Gold in Llamas. They stated that it was designed for tapeworms in horses and should NOT be used in Llamas. Since Llamas and camels are both camelids I would not use it for camels either.

I was using it because one of our camels had tape worm. Ivermec Gold has Praziquantel in it (spelling?) which is used to treat tape worm in a large number of animals (not just horses). It was a very effective product for tape worm and I didn't have any problems with it. It also controlled other worms
which the camels had, but not Barbers Pole.

I am interested to know was it the ivermectin, the praziquantel or the combination that was not good for llamas? I might stay away from this product in the future. Which chemical do you use for tape worm?

I didn't want to alarm you, just to mention that several sources had specifically mentioned not to use any "Gold" version ivermectin on Llamas. They had no further information as to why not but one article stated simply that it hadn't been tested in Llamas. That is hard to believe?! As you stated, the praziquantel which is the active ingredient that kills tapeworms is the culprit for their warning but no reason given.

My personal thought is this. The praziquantel has been commonly used to kill tapeworms in dogs and cats. I believe that in test trials the earlier formulations caused problems with camels climbing trees and unable to get back down. That and the howling at the moon symptoms. :rofl

Doug

[DMiller779]

As for the use of Ivomectin in llamas. I have used it for as long as I've kept llamas (and as recently as yesterday when I gave a 6 month old llama cria (51Kg) 2ml to control a bad case of mange that's taken hold in her ears and on her feet) and have never experienced any problems with it. I have a friend who has treated small camelids for many years as a veterinary doctor and he prescribes Ivomec-D at double the recommended dose. I have also read several articles on the web warning against its use, but I won't stop using it now after having used it for so many years without a problem. DYOR!

Hmm. :confused:

Again, I was just reporting what I read. I have no personal experience with the "Gold" versions of Ivermectin. I have used it on my miniature horses. For tapeworms I am using Valbazen which is reputedly very safe. There is also Synanthic which is used for tapeworms but I haven't used it.

Does Ivomec D have praziquantel in it?

Doug